In this episode
Turia Pitt with MAK at the Director General's Women of Achievement award breakfast.
Following her inspirational appearance as guest speaker at the 2025 Director General’s Women of Achievement Award, Turia Pitt sat down with MAK to remind us all that we need to be kind to ourselves. Turia famously survived after being caught in a grassfire while running an ultramarathon more than a decade ago. She’s now an author, motivational speaker and a run coach, helping people of all ages learn to run. In this episode, discusses how important it is to celebrate the small wins, even if it’s just turning up.
About Turia Pitt
Turia Pitt is a burn survivor. She’s a runner, author, run coach and motivational speaker. She openly shares her story of when she was caught in a grassfire almost 15 years ago while running in a 100km ultramarathon. It left her with full thickness burns to 65% of her body and she had to endure hundreds of surgeries. Despite the challenges she’s faced, Turia has become a passionate advocate for running, coaching and empowering people to learn about and understand their bodies. She helps people build confidence. Turia’s family, and her writing. keep her busy. She now has 3 books published and there’s another on the way.
Transcript
MAK
Warm welcome to Ed Talks WA. I'm Marie-Anne Keefe, but please call me MAK.
MAK
Turia Pitt's life changed in a matter of seconds almost 15 years ago when she was trapped in a grass fire in WA's Kimberley while taking part in a 100-kilometre ultramarathon.
With full thickness burns to 65% of her body, it wasn't just a miracle that she survived, but she's thrived, rebuilding her life after surviving against all the odds and defying every expectation placed on her.
She's written 3 best-selling books, coached over 40,000 people, shared a stage with Tony Robbins, competed in the Ironman World Championships, sailed a boat around French Polynesia, walked the Kokoda Trail, and boy, is she tired.
Seriously, though.
Turia has become one of Australia's most admired and respected public speakers, traveling across the country, inspiring audiences to live the life of their dreams with no limitations. And that's exactly how we met when she flew to Perth to deliver a special keynote at the Director General's Women of Achievement Award.
She actually touched every person in the room with her story, delivering truth bombs, or I should say dropping truth bombs, and reality checks that really landed differently for everyone. And then there were the squats.
Now she had everyone from the Minister of Education and the Director General, to the Fire and Emergency Services Chief bobbing up and down and squatting for their lives.
There were a number of theories as to what this was all about, but to reveal the real reason, she joins me now.
Hello Turia, it's so great to see you again.
Turia Pitt
Thanks so much for having me. It's great to see you too.
MAK
Now, can we talk about the squats? You had the whole place talking. Tell me, what are they about?
Turia Pitt
Oh, I just like to burn the time, you know, just get through that hour without talking.
I don't know why I like to do squats. I think, you know when you've been sitting for a long time and you start to, it's just tiring sitting. And if you're listening to someone speak at you, it can be really tiring.
So I just, I don't know, I just like to get people moving a little bit.
MAK
So a couple of things there. What was interesting for me, because I was sitting next to you, was to see your nerves. And we had a quick chat about that before you got up to speak.
Turia Pitt
Yeah.
MAK
Because I was interested in the fact that you appeared nervous and you told me that you were.
Talk to me a bit about that. I mean, how many of these do you do a year, but do you always feel nervous? And what is that about?
Turia Pitt
I actually don't do a whole heap of them in a year just because I'm a mum. I've got 2 little boys, husband's a helicopter pilot. So just like the logistical arrangements with both of our jobs and looking after and raising 2 kids can be complicated.
So I don't do that many of them.
I guess I get nervous because you would have heard my chat. It's quite vulnerable and I suppose if you're telling, you know, a loved one about something that you feel vulnerable about, you might find that your voice starts to shake or you might feel nervous telling them that. So just imagine you're telling a whole room full of people, you don't know their names, you don't know anything about them.
So, yeah, I guess that's why I get nervous. And also just like public speaking. Like I find public speaking just nerve-wracking at the best of times.
MAK
The one thing I noticed was, well a couple of things I noticed. Number one, the love in the room for you, honestly.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, yeah.
MAK
Could you feel that?
Turia Pitt
Oh, yeah. You know what? I think like mostly as a whole, I've always felt a lot of love and support from Aussies in general. They've all, you know, most people have always been invested for my story from the very start, very invested in Michael and me, super excited for us when we had our kids.
So I did, I guess I feel quite grateful for that because, yeah I guess it's something that I don't take, I don't take lightly and I don't take it for granted either.
MAK
So there was so much love in the room for you. And one of the things that I noticed was that actually the process of delivering that speech is actually physically quite gruelling for you, isn't it?
Like literally getting the words out for that hour on the stage is not easy work.
Turia Pitt
Well I don't think, and I don't think it should be because I think if it doesn't feel, if it doesn't feel vulnerable, if it doesn't feel hard at times, if you're you know, to give you an example I talked about that story with the subway. I tried to buy my ticket for the subway, the guy started yelling at me and berating me in public and at that moment, I felt like an inch tall, right? I felt so, so small and belittled.
And that's not an easy thing to share, like I said, to share with a girlfriend or your husband. But then to share that personal time where you felt so ashamed with a whole audience of people and they're all looking at you, it is quite a, yeah it does make me nervous, those moments. But I also think that, I suppose, you know when people say I'm so real, maybe that's what they appreciate. I'm not trying to turn my story into rainbows and butterflies. I'm just telling it how it is. And though there are a lot of great days and a lot of great times and amazing things that I've done, there's also some moments where you know, I get belittled at the subway station.
MAK
That story, the subway story, several people have spoken to me about that and their reflection was, ‘I was amazed that she felt like that, but I've felt like that.’
‘People have made me feel like that and I don't have the same challenges.’
So the connection that you form with people through that truth-telling and also through that vulnerability is something really special. It's actually a very rare gift that you have.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, but it's also quite, that's what allows you to connect with people, right? When you lose your ego you say, you know, when you asked me, how are you feeling? I could have said, ‘oh, I feel great. I do these all of the time. It's easy. It's natural’, but that's not how I was feeling at the time.
You probably could have just noticed just by looking at me that I was anxious, I was nervous, I was worried. But I think feeling nervous and anxious and worried about speaking in front of a room full of people, I think that's something that we can all relate to that fear as well.
MAK
Absolutely. There were so many messages. And as I said, everyone has their own spin on things even the squats, several people have laughed and shared stories about squatting with you and their own theories about what that meant.
‘It meant that Turia spoke to us about getting the hard stuff out of the way first, so she was making a squat because that was hard.’
Turia Pitt
Oh, okay. I love that. That's the reason now. I'll use that as a reason.
MAK
That was one of the theories.
‘Do the stuff you don't like early in the day’, you know and so that's why she was making a squat. So everybody was sort of bringing to it, which is quite fabulous, their own things.
So if I had to sort of talk about the messages I received, take control of your life, have some agency in what you're doing, get the hard stuff done first thing in the day. You really drove that point home so powerfully. The power of just having a go, just trying it. It's not about winning or losing, it's just about getting out there.
Turn your fears into your greatest motivators. That one is so powerful.
And step onto the hot coals. But if you're going to do it, you've got to keep walking, right? You've got to keep going.
Turia Pitt
Yes. Yes. Otherwise, you're freely going to get burnt. So that's good.
You did really well, MAK, taking all those notes.
MAK
Do I get a 10 out of 10?
Turia Pitt
You do get a 10 out of 10. Yeah, you do.
MAK
But if you had to share out of all of those things for you, what is the defining message? What is it that you want people to take away? What is it? What is that message?
Turia Pitt
I think maybe not underestimating the power of showing up and you know if you think about showing up but it seems like such a low bar, like how it's so easy, like you just you just show up but I think maybe it's easy to show up on some days, but maybe on other days where you're tired or you're vulnerable or you're feeling overwhelmed, just showing up can be really, really hard.
So yeah, I think if there was one message that people took away, hopefully it would be just to show up. And you know what? I think the power of showing up over the long term, if you show up to something every day, if you show up to something that you think is really hard, if you just keep doing it and trying and keep trying, I think you'll be really amazed by just how far you've come. Because if I look back on my journey, there was nothing revolutionary I did. I didn't drink any magical potion, I didn't read a super insightful book, which just set me on the right path. I just kept showing up. And some days that would be really hard. Some days that might mean that I only did a couple of steps in the hospital. Some days I might do 10 but that's how I've done everything that I've done is just by showing up.
MAK
And it's an interesting message because the message that we most often get is it's not good enough to just show up.
Turia Pitt
Yeah but I think that's what we tell ourselves right because we want it, we want to achieve, we want to smash through those barriers, we want to. So if you have 20 things on your to-do list and you do 4 of them at the end of the day instead of saying ‘go you did 4 of those things’, you say, ‘I should have done more. I should have worked harder. I shouldn't have stopped for a coffee. I'll have to do even more tomorrow.’
That's the story that we tell ourselves. And I think, and this has been my experience, whenever I have berated myself or belittled myself or told myself that I needed to try harder and needed to do better, that wasn't a very motivating way. That's not a very motivating way for me to talk to myself. And often it has the opposite effect, right? I just want to give up when things are too hard, you know?
So trying to have a bit of compassion for yourself as well. But I'm not perfect at it yet I'm still a work in progress, still a work in progress at that.
MAK
Aren't we all you spoke about feeling overwhelmed and what that's like because that is paralyzing.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, totally.
And I know I love my work and it's something I'm really passionate about, but I'll often tell myself, I'll often say to myself, I'm so overwhelmed. I haven't done this. I haven't done that. I haven't done this.
None of the work I do is so critical that someone's going to die. I know that some people in our society do have jobs like that and I applaud them and I have a lot of respect for them and they're amazing, but I don't have a job like that.
So why do I tell myself that I'm so overwhelmed and so snowed under and so busy at work when really the impact of it not getting done isn't as big as I'd like to believe.
MAK
You have a lot of jobs. What's the most important out of all of them?
Turia Pitt
Being a parent.
MAK
Your boys?
Turia Pitt
Yeah, being a parent. Yeah, my boys. And that's the most important job, but that's also the hardest job, right?
Like raising kids and then you want to raise them so that they're independent, tax-paying citizens, but then you want them to make sure that they're flourishing at school and feeling connected with their peers and all of those things. Again, maybe that's a job that, and maybe some people listening to this can relate, we might put a lot of pressure on ourselves to be the perfect parent when, you know, I don't think a perfect parent exists.
At least I've never seen one. I've never met one.
MAK
No, there's so much pressure there. And as a mum of 3 boys, I want them to be better than me.
I want my boys to be better than me. And there's a lot of pressure there, you know, I don't want them to make the same mistakes that I've made. I don't want them to go through the pain that I've been through. I want to protect them from the stupid decisions that I've made and suffered the consequences of. I reckon that's part of the toughest part about being a mum.
Turia Pitt
Yeah. I mean, what do you reckon? Can you protect them from all of that stuff? Is that possible as a mum? No. And that's something that, you know, I don't know how, are your boys a little bit older?
MAK
Yes, they are. Yeah. I've only got one left at school.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, because my boys are so young, right, I'm still like God. Like I say, ‘no you can't do that, no you're doing your homework now and then you can watch a movie after dinner’.
So I actually think having little kids is probably easier because once they're adults, they have their own ideas, their own opinions, their own way of doing things. So I think that's going to be really challenging, really challenging for me.
MAK
It is. They become their own people.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, yeah. And then you're like, no, that's a mistake.
MAK
It's scary.
Turia Pitt
Learn. I've done that. It didn't work out so well.
MAK
And why are you no longer listening to me?
You mentioned books before. You didn't read a book that sort of solved everything. Let me talk about your books. Three bestsellers, ‘Everything to Live For’, ‘Unmasked’, plus the ‘Unmasked Young Adult edition’, and the latest ‘Happy and Other Ridiculous Aspirations’.
Talk to me about your writing journey. Have you always been a writer? Was there always a writer with you?
Turia Pitt
No, no. Well, I was a mining engineer, so I wasn't very interested in fiction or fantasy or things out of the realm of logic. But as a kid, I remember I used to really enjoy writing and my mom's a writer.
So I started writing.
There was some really good research done by a guy named James Pennybaker and what his research showed that is if you sit down and you write a story about your life, a really traumatic or a really tragic part, you sit down and you do it every day for 15 minutes. You don't self-censor, you just write. And you do that over a period of a week. And at the end of that week, as long as a story comes to some kind of resolution, it's just a story, so it's not actually what happened.
It allows you to process the trauma maybe in a better way.
So I found that writing for me has always been really cathartic and it's weird because I write things that I would be embarrassed to say to people in real life, which is ridiculous because everyone can read it on the page once it's published, but just that, but I think as well there's power there's power in being vulnerable because people can relate you know? They can relate to feeling ashamed, they can relate to feeling belittled, they can relate to feeling you know getting their head ripped off at work and feeling one inch tall, they can relate to heartbreak they can relate to grief.
They can relate to those times when you're at the beach with your kids and your family and you're like, why am I so stressed all the time? Because this is all that matters. This is all that matters. And so all of those emotions and some of them I'm really embarrassed to reveal to people what I've learned over the past 10 years is people relate to every single one of them.
MAK
Because your writing is as real as you are in real life.
Turia Pitt
Yeah. Oh, thank you, MAK. That's really lovely.
Yeah, I'm not an extrovert. You probably picked that up at the speech. My happy place is behind my computer writing.
MAK
I think that's evidenced in the pages of your works and I'm really interested in why you chose to do a young adult edition.
Obviously, it's the sort of book that our students across all our public schools would do well to read and would love to read. But what attracted you to that? And how did you have to adapt your style for that?
Turia Pitt
I'm not a complex writer at the best of times. I just say it how it is and I know people are always like, ‘how did you learn to write like that?’ I'm like, I just think the sentence and then I write that sentence. Like there's no magic. There's no magic to it.
MAK
Hang on a minute. That's a gift. That's actually a gift.
Turia Pitt
Sorry. It's a gift. Sorry.
It's a gift that only a few people have been blessed with and so in a way, I think that style is really good for young adults because they're really good at saying it how it is. And maybe sometimes we don't have the words to articulate how we feel, but we read something and we're like, that is how I feel. This writer has done that job for me, they've articulated the way that I feel right now.
So maybe some students get the book in Year 12 English and they're like, I don't want to read this stupid book. But maybe some of them have read it and have really loved it.
MAK
Well, it's going to be on our reading list this year for the Premier's Reading Challenge. Don't you worry about that.
Turia Pitt
Yes, you've got to make that happen, MAK.
MAK
I will make that happen. That's my promise to you. Do you think about your boys reading your books?
Turia Pitt
I'm writing another one at the moment and it's about motherhood and parenthood and that juggle at home with work and life and family. And so I've been thinking about, what if my kids read this?
MAK
Not what if, when my boys read this. Yes.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, but I also think that, you know how you want your kids to be impressed with the stuff that you do and they're not impressed at all?
MAK
Always.
Turia Pitt
So for example, I wrote a kid's book. I read it to them once. Do you think they've ever wanted me to read it to them again? No.
MAK
Boring.
Turia Pitt
No. They're not interested. No.
I say, ‘why don't we read this book?’ No. No, we don't want to read that one.
MAK
Thanks, guys.
Turia Pitt
I thought I could have counted on at least you 2 to support me, but no.
MAK
Hard no. So do you think about, when you're writing, are you conscious of the fact that these words will be read by them as young adults, as adults, that they are?
Turia Pitt
No.
MAK
No, you just let it go?
Turia Pitt
No, no. I just write. I suppose I write the words that I wish I could read so that I was reading a book and I could see how I feel and how I think so I could see that validated. And even if it wasn't validated by anyone else, at least this one author understands me and understands how I feel.
MAK
You're reflected on the page.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, like I actually am which is, and I think we've all had that experience, right, when you read a book by a really, you know, an author and you can't relate to their exact experience, but you can pull out little bits of it that really resonate with you.
Who's your favourite author, MAK?
MAK
Oh, I was just talking about this minutes ago. Trent Dalton is my favourite author.
Turia Pitt
Oh, yeah, he's brilliant.
MAK
Just, it's music. It's the musical notes on a page. I didn't even know it was possible to put words together in the way that he puts words together, right?
Turia Pitt
Yeah, he's amazing. Absolutely amazing.
MAK
So if I were to aspire, I'm certainly not clever enough and not gifted enough, I don't think. But if I were to aspire to be anything, it would be someone like Trent to be able to weave words and concepts together with that sort of magic.
Turia Pitt
Yeah and if you look at his writing, it's not flowery. It's not full of prose. It's not complicated. He's just telling a story.
MAK
He is the ultimate storyteller, which is why I love him.
Turia Pitt
He is. He should be on the Premier's Reading Challenge list. I'm sure he is.
MAK
Well, I think he should be a contender for Australian of the Year, actually. That's one of my thoughts about him.
Turia Pitt
Ah, you should nominate him then.
MAK
Well, I actually think that you're another person that should be nominated for that, quite frankly, and I have expressed that opinion to the local representatives of the Australian of the Year Awards because you're exactly the sort of person that I believe should be in the running for that as well. I know you've won a similar sort of award in Victoria, a Premier's Award.
Turia Pitt
I was a finalist, state finalist for Young Australian of the Year and then a state finalist for Australian of the Year. So I suspect if they say my name again, they'll be like…
MAK
She's done.
Turia Pitt
She's been in here before.
MAK
She's yesterday's heroine, right?
Turia Pitt
Yeah, she was last decade.
MAK
You still got my vote. So what's next for you?
Turia Pitt
What's next? So I've been working on this next book, which I mentioned earlier, about motherhood, parenthood.
MAK
Working title?
Turia Pitt
Selfish. It's called Selfish.
MAK
I love that.
Turia Pitt
Well, I think it's just, I've been doing a lot of work and like boundaries. I'm a bit of a people pleaser.
So like boundaries and standing my ground and looking after my own wellbeing, which is really hard in today's world, right? Because our understanding of a woman is that they're selfless, they give, they nurture, they look after others, they look after their families, they look after their husbands, they look after their husband's family. But they've also got to have a really challenging and fulfilling career, but they've also got to be really hot and they can't. And I just think, that's so much pressure.
Like I'm an overachiever. I can't, and I've only got 2 kids, I can't do all of that. So, that's been probably the main project that I've been working on, as well as the running.
MAK
Yes.
Turia Pitt
I love teaching women how to run. Do you run?
MAK
I want to go back to the book for a minute because one of the things I want to throw in the mix for Selfish is healthy relationships because we have a lot, particularly as mothers, a lot of relationships and primarily they are with other women. And as you age, and I'm a little bit further down the track than you, probably a lot further down the track than you, some of those relationships just aren't healthy.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, totally.
MAK
It goes back to boundaries, right?
Turia Pitt
Yeah, that goes back to boundaries and what we always want to do is we want to be, we don't want to be rude. We want to make sure that the other person is fine, that the other person is happy, that the other person is doing well but we do that not just for that person, but for everyone else in our lives. And then we've got, there's very little left in the tank for ourselves.
And so I suppose what I'm suggesting in this book is to make sure that you're doing okay, that your wellbeing is sacred and important to you and then I think if you're in that place, you can show up for other people in a better way if you want to show up for them too. Because I get not all relationships can be healthy. In fact, some of them can be really toxic.
Yeah, and that's probably part of the process of maturing is you kind of learn to be a bit more ruthless with your relationships.
MAK
So when can we expect to see Selfish this year?
Turia Pitt
That'll be out in October.
MAK
Well, I keep my eye out for that.
And running, I used to run, not very well. I'm not, I'm running…
Turia Pitt
No, well.
MAK
I think running something, I want to say, you're not going to agree with me. I know you're not going to agree with me because I've read all the stuff, I know you're a run coach and you can take people from zero to hero. But I just think my body wasn't meant to run.
You're going to hate that. I know you're going to hate that.
Turia Pitt
Well, I think, no, no, no, no.
I think, you know how we feel, we think that we should do things, even if we don't want to do those things.
MAK
Yes.
Turia Pitt
Then we feel guilty about not doing the thing that we think we should do, even though we don't even want to do it in the first place.
So I guess I'd ask, do you even want to know how to run? Or are you fine with not being able to do it?
MAK
I'd like to, but I just don't think I'm cut out for it.
Turia Pitt
Okay. Well, here's my sales pitch.
MAK
Please.
Turia Pitt
MAK, we've successfully taught women in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s how to run.
MAK
Eighties?
Turia Pitt
Some of them have run 5 kilometres, 10 kilometres, half marathons, marathons, we have a proven formula. We call it the shuffle method.
MAK
Sounding like me, the more you talk.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, and it's all about you know, and we teach women in bigger bodies and we teach normal everyday women who are juggling work, career, life, the whole bit, how to run.
So and you know what when people go, 'oh I can't run fast’, it's like you don't have to. Like running isn't about going fast or running really far. Running is just about practicing that movement pattern of running.
So it can literally just be on the spot, shifting your weight from one foot to the other.
MAK
Now to finish, a couple of things. I guess the one thing that I really want to know from you is after everything that you've been through, some of it quite unimaginable for most of us.
Why are you here? What's your why? What's your why?
Turia Pitt
This is, you know what? You know how you ask people what's their why and they can give you like a paragraph of their life's mission and their life's work and it's all very articulate? I don't have one.
I don't have one and so I've come to the realisation that maybe it's okay if you don't have a super articulate why. Maybe it's okay if you have good relationships with people, if you have, you know, good relationships with your kids and with your spouse. Not all of the time because no one's perfect and sometimes my husband just drives me crazy, but I'm sure I do the same for him. But if you have like good relationships with people that you love and care for, if you like the work that you're doing in the world, I think that's helpful too.
And if you can, this sounds really corny, but if you can try and enjoy the ride because we're not here forever, right? And I think sometimes I lose sight of that. I lose perspective.
MAK
How could you lose perspective of that?
Turia Pitt
I don't know. I don't know. But like sometimes I'll get annoyed at my partner because he's opened the second tub of yogurt when there's already one opened in the fridge. And I have to be like wait just think about, think about what's important in this life. It's your kids, it's your husband, it's your family, anything outside of that sort of falls away.
So I think you know trying to enjoy life if you can, you're not going to be able to all of the time right because life can be fun and can be lovely, but there's also points in life which are really challenging, and really really hard and you wonder if you're ever going to get through them. But I think if you can just hold it on and just ride it out, there might be something good for you waiting on the other side.
MAK
Any regrets?
Turia Pitt
Any regrets? Do I have any regrets? No, not regrets.
So when I came to Perth, I also did a speech for AusIMM, which is the Australasian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy. And I saw some of my old peers there from the mining world.
MAK
Wow.
Turia Pitt
And I was asking about their jobs and careers. They had like amazing, you know, they were mine managers, they were this, they were that. And there was a part of me which was envious.
I was really envious of these people that I met because I felt like ‘that could have been me’. But you have to temper that with saying, ‘wait up Turi. You had a couple of minutes chat with these people. You don't really know anything about their lives. You don't know if they've got kids. You don't know what their relationship is like with their spouse. You don't know what their relationship is like with their family. You don't know if they enjoy their work’.
And so I know you asked me about regrets. I don't have any, but there are moments where I'm envious of people like that moment then.
MAK
We all are.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, and that's what I've realized too. And you know what? I felt embarrassed to say that, and then you've just reflected it right back at me.
MAK
I've felt, I feel that.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, you feel envy, yeah. And it's not a nice feeling, and you wish that you were bigger than that. But at the end of the day, we're all just human, just doing our best.
MAK
I finish every podcast with this one question. So I'll put it to you. if you had one wish could be anything what would that be?
Turia Pitt
Oh okay one wish. It would be about my kids. I think if I could wish anything you know I'd want to protect them from all of the shit that life can throw at people but I suppose I know that I can't do that. So maybe instead of that, I wish that they were resilient. I know resilience is a buzzword but that they were resilient, that they understood that life's not always rainbows and butterflies, that life might be hard at times, but that they have the resources to be able to navigate their way through.
MAK
And that resilience leads to happiness because at the end of the day, as mums, is that not all we want for our children? That they're happy.
Turia Pitt
Yeah.
MAK
Whatever that looks like for them.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, that's so true.
MAK
Yeah. It's been an absolute privilege and pleasure to meet you and I feel so much richer for the time that I've spent with you.
It's been short, but very sweet. And I thank you so much, particularly for coming all the way over to Western Australia to be with us.
You certainly, you know, have touched so many people in the time that you've been here and you came in very loved and left even more so. So thank you so much.
Turia Pitt
Yeah, thanks so much, MAK. I've loved chatting with you too.
MAK
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This podcast has been recorded on Whadjuk Noongar land. We pay respect to the traditional owners and to their elders, past, present and future.
Notes
Learn more about Turia Pitt on her website2.
Find out more about her books here3.